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Loviatar · Jul 12, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

Xulani is also not tied to any chapter

and neither was it specified as a universal add on for Extra storage while the others were specifically stated as universal and free to all.

there is a difference

the reconnect/improved trading is a flat unambiguous statement while the storage is wide open to opinion as to what it means.

relaxed · Jul 12, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by milias

I don't think that's possible programmatically. Actually, lemme rephrase that, it's not economically feasible. 250 is very close to 256, which is 2^8, which is one byte. Increasing it to 500 would mean using 9 bits, which is rounded up to 2 bytes, which is not very efficient in terms of server storage space.

Anyway, I doubt this will happen because of the aforementioned reason, although I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do.

hmmm... perhaps i'm oversimplifying, but according to your calculations, wouldn't 2 stacks of 250 equal the same byte size as a stack of 500?

also, (excuse my programming ignorance here) it seems as though you're calculating a stack as 1+1+1+1...etc. until you get 250, equalling nearly a byte. wouldn't it make sense to store it as a numeric integer rather than a pile of 1s?

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

milias · Jul 12, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

and neither was it specified as a universal add on for Extra storage while the others were specifically stated as universal and free to all.

there is a difference

Here is a quote from Alex Weekes from NCSoft Europe:

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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Factions is a major content release. If you think back (or read interviews from last year), you'll remember that it has been stated previously that content releases will usually be made via a campaign purchase.

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Features such as improved trade mechanisms, storage and more are free updates. They'll be added to the game, at no cost, as soon as the individual features are ready.

I'll let you be the judge of that

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Originally Posted by relaxed

hmmm... perhaps i'm oversimplifying, but according to your calculations, wouldn't 2 stacks of 250 equal the same byte size as a stack of 500?

Yes, if you do 2 stacks of 250, that's exactly 2 bytes. But if you do one stack of 500, that's 2^9=512, which is 9 bytes. If you round that up to 2 bytes, you will have wasted 7 bits.

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Originally Posted by relaxed

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

Heh, I plan to have stacks of multiple materials. I think there're 20 or so materials right now, so that 20 bytes per person, which is 200 gigs. Plus ANet likes to keep backup copies and so forth

Loviatar · Jul 12, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by relaxed

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

2 stacks of 250=2 bytes.

2 stacks of 500=4 bytes

even an empty slot would take up that 2 bytes to display it.

this would not be only storage vault but every characters inventory in the game as well since the inventory has to match (byte wise)when you move things around.

milan · Jul 12, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

All these claims that Anet or a representative of Anet stated that this content would be universal to all chapters. Can someone please post a link to a post/chat session etc that states this?

So far I've seen comments on certain content being free but nobody as yet has been able to provide proof that the above statements were actually made.

Loviatar · Jul 12, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by milias

I'll let you be the judge of that

thank you i will.

we have storage.

i interpret this additional as extra storage for people who have additional items to store that chapter 1 people dont.

these come to mind at a blink and i am sure there will be more.
tengu mask
dragon mask
rice wine
bean cakes
Cantha armor (5 pieces minimum one set)

what i want is an event items tab

milias · Jul 13, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i interpret this additional as extra storage for people who have additional items to store that chapter 1 people dont.

Please keep in mind that this storage update adds additional storage for materials only. Only two new materials were introduced in Factions, namely Jadeit and Amber. The vast majority of materials are still pan-chapter, actually, you can even buy/sell Jadeit/Amber at the trader in Prophecies. I personally have a hard time justifying this for this particular reason.

Loviatar · Jul 13, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by milias

Please keep in mind that this storage update adds additional storage for materials only. Only two new materials were introduced in Factions, namely Jadeit and Amber. The vast majority of materials are still pan-chapter, actually, you can even buy/sell Jadeit/Amber at the trader in Prophecies. I personally have a hard time justifying this for this particular reason.

this is true but having neither of the two materials mentioned i will still be able to move a stack of this and that freeing up about 10-12 slots which will let me use the general slots for the items mentioned plus a wee bit more.

with the above mentioned new armor/event items i am getting very cramped with only the original space.

and i think everybody could use an events tab for the goodies

Celdor Nailo · Jul 13, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

Loviatar · Jul 13, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

it veries.

right now i am stocking up on the basic items that i will need for my chapter 3 armor plus a few stacks to sell if the price goes up again like last time

Ranger Rog · Jul 13, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

At the moment I have 2 piles of crafting materials in my box (steel and wood), the rest is full of armor and weapons/mods and a couple of other random items. My crafting materials tend to stay on character until they reach stacks of 10 for the more common ones like iron & leather and then they go to the trader.

TalonTheCat · Jul 13, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I haven't seen this (I own Factions) - so hopefully this hasn't been implimented yet, or I a missing out!

Vermilion · Jul 13, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

The amount of a given material is directly related to how useful it is, in value or something else. Or, whatever drops the most. I have typically 2-3 stacks of wood and iron, but maybe 1 of everything else. Right now, I have a 1/4 stack of cloth to my name, as I had to sell it all to get my 15k.

milias · Jul 13, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Yep, this means I will actually start using the salvage kit again

Used to be that I'd just buy any materials I needed, cos I don't want them taking up space in my inventory...

Suuk · Jul 13, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Too lazy to go through all pages...

When is this going to be implemented? Any idea?

milias · Jul 13, 2006, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by Suuk

When is this going to be implemented? Any idea?

ANet said in a few weeks about two weeks ago. So if they're true to their word, it should be any time now.

DrSLUGFly · Jul 13, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

sweet. As on page 1, I would rather have all purpose storage, but most of it would go to materials anyway so this is pretty cool... Now we just have to hope for Rune storage and Dye storage.

Loviatar · Jul 13, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

sweet. As on page 1, I would rather have all purpose storage, but most of it would go to materials anyway so this is pretty cool... Now we just have to hope for Rune storage and Dye storage.

dont forget my event item storage.

and a beverage tab would be nice as well.

5 slots each for the non tea totalers amongst us

and the ability to dye drinks maybe

wsmcasey · Jul 13, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Good thing I have Factions so I won't miss out on the update. I feel sorry for chapter1 only owners. Faction only owners will soon be treated as second class citizens after chapter 3 comes out, watch and see.

MSecorsky · Jul 13, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Between the eggnogs, absinthes, rice wines, etc., there's one tab we truly need beyond all others.

Liquor cabinet.